I'M A PC

Lun Oct 20 01:43:25 UTC 2008

2008/10/19 Ricardo <ricardogh en esdebian.org>:
>         Hola Alexandre (pasaré a hablar en español, creo que todos aquí
> entienden, aun que yo también sea brasileño),
>
>       Estoy de acuerdo contigo, creo que más personas deberían luchar
> en la justicia contra esos tipos de "ventas amarradas" (vendas casadas)
> de software y hardware. Yo compré hace menos de 2 meses un Acer
> Travelmate 6292 con Linux pre-instalado, sé que muchos critican a Acer,
> pero para mi es un bueno hardware por el  precio (2700 reais).  Pero,
> como dijiste, ellos por hora no dan valor para el Linux, no se dan al
> trabajo de configurar correctamente una distro apropiada. Espero que
> esto se cambie luego, veo que más y más mini-laptops están siendo
> vendidos con distros mejor configuradas.
>       Cuando estuve pesquisando sobre notebooks, hice cuestión de decir
> a la vendedora de Dell que no iría comprar su producto por ser forzado a
> pagar por una licencia Windows (ella había afirmado que no había otra
> opción, aun que creo que ya hay dell laptops con ubuntu por aquí). Creo
> que esto tipo de actitud debería ser propagado en campañas como esta que
> se he sugerido aquí. A propósito, no habían hecho una ley en Europa
> contra la venta amarrada de software y hardware? Alguien podría
> informar-nos?
>
>          Saludos,
>
>             Ricardo

Saludos Amigos,

Porque insisten en seguir hablando de Microsoft, Bill gates, I'm pc
I'm Mac, etc... todas estas cosas la verdad que entre más piensen en
ellos les dan más importancia de la que merecen, yo estoy inscrito
porque quiero hablar de SOFTWARE LIBRE y nada más no me interesa si a
bill gates le dan una mención de honor en una universidad (como el
otro hilo) ni publicidad de PC's ni Apple.

Les agradecería que mantuvieran el tema del software libre, metas,
proyectos, etc...

Saludos,

Mario Young

PD// si les interesa tanto hablar de bill gates, microsoft, apple,
etc... por favor avísenme para eliminar mi suscripción y buscar
personas que quieran hablar de lo que me interesa SOFTWARE LIBRE.

>
> Alexandre Oliva escreveu:
>> On Oct 17, 2008, Ricardo <ricardogh en esdebian.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I will never buy a mac cause I don't pay for a OS that I'll not use.
>>>
>>
>> Paying for software you won't use is a pain, indeed.  I just did that
>> myself, after my notebook failed and the only replacement I could find
>> in the market, after much shopping around, that would work reasonably
>> well with a 100% Free system (even wireless, although no Video 3D
>> acceleration available at this time) was a Clevo machine repackaged by
>> Amazon PC.
>>
>> What really sucks is that Amazon PC manufactures and sells these
>> notebooks also with a OneOS distro, a repackaging of Kubuntu by a
>> local supporter/supplier.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find any shops
>> that had the GNU/Linux version for sale with a minimally-usable
>> configuration for a heavy developer.
>>
>> So, I decided to support the vendor whose hardware respected me, and
>> purchased the machine, in spite of Windows Beasta.  I let the vendor
>> and the manufacturer know that the only reason I purchased the machine
>> that way was because they wouldn't offer me choice, and that I'd fight
>> to be reimbursed for the illegal coupled sale of an item that required
>> me to accept a contractual change after the sale was completed.
>>
>> I'll get my lawyer involved, and if I ever get the reimbursement, it
>> goes straight to FSFLA.  At the very least I'll fight to have it
>> counted in the Widows Beasta statistics.  I'm *this* close to
>> returning the machine, because both say they can't reimburse me for
>> the OS only, but I'm going to be on the road again for most of next
>> week (which is why I needed a functional notebook so urgently) and
>> when I return, the return period will have expired.  Talk about bad
>> timing :-(
>>
>> Anyhow, when I rationalized the purchase that machine with the
>> software it came with, I promised myself and the community to fighting
>> for the reimbursement and against the statistics.  Please cross your
>> fingers :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> And it's not about money, I just don't want to be in Apple's or
>>> Microsoft's software consumer statistics.
>>>
>>
>> /me nods
>>
>>
>>> In case of Apple it's even worst, one pay for a OS that only can be
>>> used (due to licensing limitations) on a specific hardware.
>>>
>>
>> Windows OEM is no different :-(
>>
>>
>>> Today there are many notebooks out there that come with Linux
>>> pre-installed, or simply empty.
>>>
>>
>> True.  Unfortunately, it seems that GNU/Linux is only available on
>> machines with very limited resources, at least here in Brazil.  The
>> market at large still perceives it as a means to reduce costs for
>> those who can't afford anything better, rather than as something that
>> any sane person would prefer, and that will make fast machines faster.
>>
>>
>>> We should really think about that, it goes against our freedom if a
>>> hardware vendor only sells products that come bundled with a
>>> proprietary OS.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
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