I'M A PC

[Ricardo]

         Hola Alexandre (pasaré a hablar en español, creo que todos aquí 
entienden, aun que yo también sea brasileño),

       Estoy de acuerdo contigo, creo que más personas deberían luchar 
en la justicia contra esos tipos de "ventas amarradas" (vendas casadas) 
de software y hardware. Yo compré hace menos de 2 meses un Acer 
Travelmate 6292 con Linux pre-instalado, sé que muchos critican a Acer, 
pero para mi es un bueno hardware por el  precio (2700 reais).  Pero, 
como dijiste, ellos por hora no dan valor para el Linux, no se dan al 
trabajo de configurar correctamente una distro apropiada. Espero que 
esto se cambie luego, veo que más y más mini-laptops están siendo 
vendidos con distros mejor configuradas.
       Cuando estuve pesquisando sobre notebooks, hice cuestión de decir 
a la vendedora de Dell que no iría comprar su producto por ser forzado a 
pagar por una licencia Windows (ella había afirmado que no había otra 
opción, aun que creo que ya hay dell laptops con ubuntu por aquí). Creo 
que esto tipo de actitud debería ser propagado en campañas como esta que 
se he sugerido aquí. A propósito, no habían hecho una ley en Europa 
contra la venta amarrada de software y hardware? Alguien podría 
informar-nos?

          Saludos,
   
             Ricardo

Alexandre Oliva escreveu:
> On Oct 17, 2008, Ricardo <ricardogh en esdebian.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> I will never buy a mac cause I don't pay for a OS that I'll not use.
>>     
>
> Paying for software you won't use is a pain, indeed.  I just did that
> myself, after my notebook failed and the only replacement I could find
> in the market, after much shopping around, that would work reasonably
> well with a 100% Free system (even wireless, although no Video 3D
> acceleration available at this time) was a Clevo machine repackaged by
> Amazon PC.
>
> What really sucks is that Amazon PC manufactures and sells these
> notebooks also with a OneOS distro, a repackaging of Kubuntu by a
> local supporter/supplier.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find any shops
> that had the GNU/Linux version for sale with a minimally-usable
> configuration for a heavy developer.
>
> So, I decided to support the vendor whose hardware respected me, and
> purchased the machine, in spite of Windows Beasta.  I let the vendor
> and the manufacturer know that the only reason I purchased the machine
> that way was because they wouldn't offer me choice, and that I'd fight
> to be reimbursed for the illegal coupled sale of an item that required
> me to accept a contractual change after the sale was completed.
>
> I'll get my lawyer involved, and if I ever get the reimbursement, it
> goes straight to FSFLA.  At the very least I'll fight to have it
> counted in the Widows Beasta statistics.  I'm *this* close to
> returning the machine, because both say they can't reimburse me for
> the OS only, but I'm going to be on the road again for most of next
> week (which is why I needed a functional notebook so urgently) and
> when I return, the return period will have expired.  Talk about bad
> timing :-(
>
> Anyhow, when I rationalized the purchase that machine with the
> software it came with, I promised myself and the community to fighting
> for the reimbursement and against the statistics.  Please cross your
> fingers :-)
>
>
>
>   
>> And it's not about money, I just don't want to be in Apple's or 
>> Microsoft's software consumer statistics.
>>     
>
> /me nods
>
>   
>> In case of Apple it's even worst, one pay for a OS that only can be
>> used (due to licensing limitations) on a specific hardware.
>>     
>
> Windows OEM is no different :-(
>
>   
>> Today there are many notebooks out there that come with Linux 
>> pre-installed, or simply empty.
>>     
>
> True.  Unfortunately, it seems that GNU/Linux is only available on
> machines with very limited resources, at least here in Brazil.  The
> market at large still perceives it as a means to reduce costs for
> those who can't afford anything better, rather than as something that
> any sane person would prefer, and that will make fast machines faster.
>
>   
>> We should really think about that, it goes against our freedom if a
>> hardware vendor only sells products that come bundled with a
>> proprietary OS.
>>     
>
> +1
>
>